Ok, I got this idea from Daak and ran with my own version... the idea is to put the "CA" in the CAI. As you know, the intake sits in the engine compartment where all the warm air is circulated unless you have one that feeds down to the bottom of the compartment where the cold air is. So...how to get the cold air? Well, here's "a way"!

Remove the filter
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09019.jpg

to expose the compartment.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09002.jpg

Next, locate the corner panel under the grill and pop out two clips. For models other than the R/T, you may have to modify this or get creative.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09003.jpg

This is what that panel looks like. Mark the diameter hole that the hose will fit into.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09004-1.jpg

Cut the hole out of this thing
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09006-1.jpg

This is what it looks like
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09007-1.jpg

Obtain a gasket of some sort.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09008.jpg

This one is a bit too small diameter so I will have to cut it out some.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09010.jpg

Yes!!!!! and then what???? dont keep me in suspense I dont handle it well:rolleyes:

And you got this from Daak the Mall cop:cool:

Place and fit the rubber thing.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09012.jpg

Get a good hose.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09013.jpg

Cut the hose to fit.
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09014.jpg

Replace the panel and place the hose into the hole you cut...this can be tricky!
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09015.jpg

Here is where the "Cold Air" will enter into the BADAZ RT!
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09016.jpg

This is where the "Cold Air" will flow into the CAI!!
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09017.jpg

And this is the whole thing installed!!!
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09021-1.jpg

You will be amazed at the diference!!!! It will sound and feel like your car just came up for air! Do this mod and release the Beast out of your ride!!! And as always...happy modding!
http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss319/kensphoto_bucket/PCcarshow09022-1.jpg

There ya go Ed...whataya think? Did that satisfy yo curiosity enough???lol Yeah, the mall cop sprung this idea on my at the Make a Wish Show...

Never seen the hose used. The idea is generally called the chilly air mod on other forums, congratz on a fairly inexpensive mod Ken!! Looks like a good write up and interesting info!

Graet write up and Pics.. Thanks, thats a good idea

I cheated on this mod a little. I swapped the two panels (the one you cut for it's twin on the other side) so that it pushes the air towards the intake instead of through the radiator. No heat issues and you can tell it's putting the cool air towards the intake. This is an even better idea though as it ducts the air into the engine compartment better. Way to go Ken!

Do you have to worry about water vapors

Not unless you submerge the car into water, some CAI's actually route the filter down into this area and have had no problems with water vapor, and by the time the water vapor got through the filter and close to the throttle body I think the heat would evaporate it

Never seen the hose used. The idea is generally called the chilly air mod on other forums, congratz on a fairly inexpensive mod Ken!! Looks like a good write up and interesting info!
Thanks bro...chilly for me, bully for you! hahalol

Graet write up and Pics.. Thanks, thats a good idea
Thanks bro!

I cheated on this mod a little. I swapped the two panels (the one you cut for it's twin on the other side) so that it pushes the air towards the intake instead of through the radiator. No heat issues and you can tell it's putting the cool air towards the intake. This is an even better idea though as it ducts the air into the engine compartment better. Way to go Ken!
Thanks bro...of course if any other ideas are out there, I'm open.

Not unless you submerge the car into water, some CAI's actually route the filter down into this area and have had no problems with water vapor, and by the time the water vapor got through the filter and close to the throttle body I think the heat would evaporate it
Thanks for taking that one for me bro cause I had no idea...didn't think so tho

Cool How To!

May have to see if this can be done on the V6

I think the v6 is set up the same way.. Im gonna make my own CAI that goes down in the same area.... all the parts from auto zone .. hehe.... I cant remember who did it already.. but this was the first Ive seen do it like this and its an awesome idea.... awesome!
Yo

Cool How To!

May have to see if this can be done on the V6
Nice...you should totally do it! You will NOT regret!!!
I think the v6 is set up the same way.. Im gonna make my own CAI that goes down in the same area.... all the parts from auto zone .. hehe.... I cant remember who did it already.. but this was the first Ive seen do it like this and its an awesome idea.... awesome!
Yo Thanks Yo...yo the best!

Oh YEAH! Cool idea there! Gonna have to look into that, with mine. After I get a CAI, of course.:rolleyes:

Now, what about the "Auto Zone Route" that Yo mentioned? You know, I had seen those pieces at the Auto Zone in Fort Smith and wondered what the possibilities were. Is it possible that an "Auto Zone Special AND this Fresh Air Mod could give a fair return for the efforts?:confused:

Check out spectreperformance.com, all sorts of little goodies there.

http://www.spectreperformance.com

Check out spectreperformance.com, all sorts of little goodies there.

http://www.spectreperformance.com

Cool link there Jon. Thanks for posting. MY next question would be, I wonder how much that setup would end up costing, compared to the ones available?

I also wondered why, since we are talking COLD Air Intake, the intake tube wasn't insulated in some way or would the heat around the tube not be enough to cause the air inside the tube to be warmed up somewhat.?

hope this isn't considered "HiJacking", if it IS, I'll gladly start another thread. I've got some pretty good interest in this myself. ;)

Ambient air temperature, what kind of material to use for the CAI tube, air flow, and all sorts of other topics have been debated ad-nauseum. The bottom line is that, on a street car, you're not going to be able to tell much difference between one CAI and the next. I was going to buy stuff from Spectre and fab up my own CAI until I ended up getting a Mopar CAI free with the Mopar Bucks. One thing I like about the Mopar CAI is that it uses a dry filter, no oiling. Amsoil and AEM also make dry filters. I will NEVER put an oiled filter on any car of mine.

Ambient air temperature, what kind of material to use for the CAI tube, air flow, and all sorts of other topics have been debated ad-nauseum. The bottom line is that, on a street car, you're not going to be able to tell much difference between one CAI and the next. I was going to buy stuff from Spectre and fab up my own CAI until I ended up getting a Mopar CAI free with the Mopar Bucks. One thing I like about the Mopar CAI is that it uses a dry filter, no oiling. Amsoil and AEM also make dry filters. I will NEVER put an oiled filter on any car of mine.

Appreciate the clarification on that Jon.Like I said,I'm mainly used to dealing with the older Mopars ('66 Charger, '69 road runners and GTX) and it's almost like learning all over again and then there are some things that are basically the same as back then, but I haven't used them much since BACK THEN!

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my ex when I bought a 442 W30:

Her: It looks nice, but it doesn't have anything on it.
Me: What do you mean? It has rallye wheels, bucket seats, console, wood steering wheel, vinyl top, and power steering.
Her: Yeah, but it doesn't have any goodies.
Me: Sure it does. It's got a 455, 4-speed, and 3.91 posi. What else do you need?

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my ex when I bought a 442 W30:

Her: It looks nice, but it doesn't have anything on it.
Me: What do you mean? It has rallye wheels, bucket seats, console, wood steering wheel, vinyl top, and power steering.
Her: Yeah, but it doesn't have any goodies.
Me: Sure it does. It's got a 455, 4-speed, and 3.91 posi. What else do you need?



Ha! Ha! I hear ya. Like the GTX has the 440 Super Commando (warmed up a tad), 4sp 83/4 rear w/positraction ans 3.55 gears, Magnum 500 repo wheels (8" front & 10" rear), bucket seats, non-console car, Grant steering wheel, headers, flowmasters, aluminum radiator (w/ a 16" electric cooling fan), zoom clutch and NO power steering, No power brakes or A/C!

I made a CAI for my Avenger with similar routing using Spectre stuff, but I used piping to route the filter to the bottom of the car instead of the hose. The more I think about it the more I want to modfity my CAI and go the hose route to keep my filter out of the water and dirt.

Why no oiled filter? Just concerned that it doesn't do as good of a job as a dry filter?

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae308/2008AWDRT/2008%20Avenger%20RT%20AWD/DSCF5823.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae308/2008AWDRT/2008%20Avenger%20RT%20AWD/intake3.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae308/2008AWDRT/2008%20Avenger%20RT%20AWD/intake5.jpg

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae308/2008AWDRT/2008%20Avenger%20RT%20AWD/intake6.jpg

If you read the specs on K&N's website, you'll see that their filters do not filter as well. No wonder they can advertise more flow. I'll give up some flow for cleaner air. Plus, they're a hassle. And I had an engine builder tell me one time to never use a K&N filter. He spent 10 minutes bashing them. Also, a friend of mine is a top-notch mechanic, and he advises not to use oiled filters. To each his own, but that's too much evidence against them for me.

Well I'm not necessarily promoting them, even though I have an oiled filter at the moment. Just curious as to what your reasoning was is all.

I saw a dry type filter with an interesting design at the auto parts store the other day and I'm debating on switching over to it just because I think the design of the filter would be effective with my CAI setup. If the concensus is that a dry type filter is better than an oiled filer than it just gives me another reason to buy it.

so will just bolting one on give you any hp/tq? i was sure you would need a tune to get anything out of a cai, you could even be hurting the hp/tq without tuning?